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    Amendments to the Condemnation of the Coup in Icholasen

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    • Inimicus
      Inimicus EU last edited by

      "There is no way the Imperial Government will ever support yet another attempt by Istkalen to make friends with communist revolutionaries in the USNR. I can further confirm that there is no agreement that could make the Imperial Government give up its nuclear arsenal in the present tumultuous time."

      Nicholas Benfield

      The Empire of Inimicus
      Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
      Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
      Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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      • BrumBrum
        BrumBrum Commission last edited by

        I do feel it is important we get the most practical path back to democracy. However while this helps I do believe it is not enough. That is why I will present this addition to the ammendment for what would be section 3:

        7. In return for membership of the EU and lifting of sanctions the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics is to recognise as legal all parties that existed before the coup in Icholsen and allow them to run in free fair democratic elections monitored by international observers from throughout the EU. The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics is also to allow freedom to campaign to all said parties and allow all Icholsen media to operate within the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics freely and without censorship.

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        • Istkalen
          Istkalen EU last edited by Istkalen

          Councillor Benfield, we are speaking solely about the denuclearization of the UNSR, not about that of the European Union.

          As for Councillor Mizrachi-Roscoe, this is made clear in clause 4 of the amendments, which states that the UNSR must be in accordance with the UDoHR. How the UNSR goes about this is their own decision. There are many countries, Istkalen included, with alternative systems of democracy - non-partisan ones, for example, and so on and so forth. A democracy could even, in theory, be based on a single-party, as existed in Istkalen between 1983 and 2002.

          This amendment is not one that aims for regime change. This amendment is one for peace, and for the staving off of nuclear conflict. We stand here not to guarantee capitalism or liberal democracy to the people of Icholasen; no, we stand here solely to guarantee them and us safety and the right to a truly free life.

          Iras Tilkanas
          Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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          • Istkalen
            Istkalen EU last edited by

            I of course would like to request a debate extension as of now, as this amendment is controversial and yet has not received particularly much discussion, especially from those who would be most affected.

            Iras Tilkanas
            Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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            • BrumBrum
              BrumBrum Commission last edited by

              I would challenge the idea that single party "democracy" is a democracy. If other voices are banned and only socialist voices allowed then it is by definition not a demos or of the people but only of some of the people. I am not expecting forcing cappitalism onto Icholsen or the UNSR as it is defacto now but it must at least abide by democracy and freedom of speech protected in the constitution if it is to be a member. We should not allow it membership without free and fair democratic elections and basic civil liberties. Thats all my ammendment seeks to achieve.

              James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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              • Istkalen
                Istkalen EU last edited by

                What, then, of the United Duchies, where it seems that the government is all to willing to suppress socialist voices as much as it can? It appears that it only bent at least partially because of international worry.

                Iras Tilkanas
                Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                • Fayrrendel
                  Fayrrendel EU last edited by Fayrrendel

                  While I personally find the idea of a one-party state undesirable, it is theoretically possible to have a one-party state alongside a democracy. But factions within the party will have to be freely allowed and the party mechanisms open to the people. Democracies ban parties all the time, including your own country Councilor Roscoe. So freely allowing parties is not a sole criteria for democracy.

                  Tony Odhinazen
                  EU Councilor, Ruthund

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                  • BrumBrum
                    BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                    I was fortunately able to change the government policy in the Duchies.I agree it went too far but it was a rash response to a crisis of national security , over 3,000 had just died.However we were able to ammend and fix the laws, thankfully the Duchies is now aware of how fast liberty can be lost.

                    James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                    • Fremet
                      Fremet EU last edited by

                      The debate has ended. We will now begin voting on Amendments, listed below:


                      Amendment I: (Proposed by Interim Cllr Iras Tilkanas)

                      1. In the case that it denuclearizes, ceases hostilities of a military-related nature against member-states of this union, and proves itself, without doubt, to be in general accordance with Article V of the Constitution of the European Union, the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics may be admitted into the European Union as a neutral state under Article VI of the European Constitution. This legislation, as such, is to be treated as, in part, a neutrality motion for the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics, and is subject to the regulations around such motions. The restrictions regarding economic trade with the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics are to be lifted in the case of such an occurrence.

                      Amendment II: (Proposed by Interim Cllr Iras Tilkanas)

                      1. In the case that it denuclearizes, ceases hostilities of a military-related nature against member-states of this union, and proves itself, without doubt, to be in general accordance with Article V of the Constitution of the European Union, the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics may be admitted into the European Union as a neutral state under Article VI of the European Constitution. This legislation, as such, is to be treated as, in part, a neutrality motion for the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics, and is subject to the regulations around such motions. The neutral status of the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics only enters into effect upon its potential entrance into the European Union.

                      Amendment III: (Proposed by Cllr Mizrachi-Roscoe)

                      1. In return for membership of the EU and lifting of sanctions the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics is to recognise as legal all parties that existed before the coup in Icholsen and allow them to run in free fair democratic elections monitored by international observers from throughout the EU. The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics is also to allow freedom to campaign to all said parties and allow all Icholsen media to operate within the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics freely and without censorship.

                      Voting on Amendments begins NOW and ends 14 May 2021 at 12h00 GMT.


                      On behalf of the Republic of Fremet, I vote FOR Amendments I and II and AGAINST Amendment III.

                      Charles Michel
                      Council Speaker and Councilor for Fremet

                      Statsminister Erna Solberg
                      EU Cllr Charles Michel
                      #FortressFremet

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                      • Istkalen
                        Istkalen EU last edited by Istkalen

                        On behalf of the people of Istkalen, their will expressed through the Republic of Istkalen, I vote FOR Amendments I and II and AGAINST Amendment III.

                        Iras Tilkanas
                        Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                        • Spain
                          Spain last edited by

                          I vote AGAINST all amendments.

                          Donald Tusk
                          Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                          The Kingdom of Spain
                          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                          President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                          • BrumBrum
                            BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                            On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR tall ammendments
                            James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillor for United Duchies

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                            • Inimicus
                              Inimicus EU last edited by

                              The Empire of Inimicus votes AGAINST Amendments I and II and FOR Amendment III.

                              Cllr Nicholas Benfield

                              The Empire of Inimicus
                              Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
                              Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
                              Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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                              • Fayrrendel
                                Fayrrendel EU last edited by

                                I vote for AGAINST amendments I and III and FOR amendment II.

                                Tony Odhinazen
                                EU Councilor, Ruthund

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                                • Nofoaga
                                  Nofoaga EU last edited by

                                  On behalf of the Republic of Nofoaga, I vote FOR all amendments.

                                  Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
                                  EU Councillor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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                                  • Leagio
                                    Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                                    On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR Amendments I and I and Against Amendment III.

                                    Francis Plessis
                                    EU Councilor for Leagio

                                    President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                                    Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                                    EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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                                    • Fremet
                                      Fremet EU last edited by

                                      With 4 votes FOR, 3 votes AGAINST, and no Abstentions, Amendment 1 has PASSED.
                                      With 5 votes FOR, 2 votes AGAINST, and no Abstentions, Amendment 2 has PASSED.
                                      With 3 votes FOR, 4 votes AGAINST, and no Abstentions, Amendment 3 has FAILED.

                                      The original legislation has been updated to reflect the Amendments passed.

                                      Final voting begins NOW and ends 23 May 2021 at 12h00 GMT.


                                      On behalf of the Republic of Fremet, I vote FOR the Amendment to the Condemnation of the Coup in Icholasen.

                                      Charles Michel
                                      Council Speaker and Councilor for Fremet

                                      Statsminister Erna Solberg
                                      EU Cllr Charles Michel
                                      #FortressFremet

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                                      • Spain
                                        Spain last edited by

                                        On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote AGAINST this Amendment.

                                        Donald Tusk
                                        Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                        The Kingdom of Spain
                                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                                        • Istkalen
                                          Istkalen EU last edited by

                                          On behalf of the Republic of Istkalen, I vote FOR this motion.

                                          Iras Tilkanas
                                          Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                                          • Nofoaga
                                            Nofoaga EU last edited by

                                            On behalf of the Republic of Nofoaga, I vote FOR this amendment.

                                            Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
                                            EU Councillor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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